What Happens to My Agreement With a Texas Builder?

Kaitlin Lovern, North Dallas Realtor

Texas Builder Agreement Guide

What Happens to My Agreement With a Texas Builder?

Your buyer-representation agreement does not automatically disappear when you choose a Texas builder. The Texas Real Estate Commission (TREC) identifies buyer representation as a private buyer-broker contract. Read the signed agreement for its scope, term, exclusivity, services, and compensation. Then obtain the exact builder community’s registration, broker-recognition, compensation, and purchase-contract documents as a separate set.

Kaitlin Lovern seated in a professionally staged model-home-style kitchen
3 working foldersbuyer-broker, builder policy, buyer-seller purchase
6 required fieldsin covered Texas residential-buyer agreements
2 separate relationshipsbuyer to broker and buyer to builder
Texas source reviewno universal first-visit registration rule found in the authorities reviewed

Quick answer, current August 27, 2026: If “my agreement” means a signed Texas buyer-representation agreement, switching from resale homes to a builder does not automatically cancel, suspend, or rewrite it. The Texas Real Estate Commission (TREC) identifies buyer representation as a private buyer-broker contract. The buyer and broker must read the executed agreement and amendments to determine whether the exact builder property is covered and what each party agreed to do. The builder’s visitor registration, broker-recognition procedure, compensation writing, and sales contract are separate documents. If their legal effect conflicts or remains unclear, preserve the complete file and ask a Texas attorney before signing or paying a deposit.

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Which three document sets control this builder decision?

Start by separating documents that are easy to blend together. Use three working folders: buyer-broker documents, builder policy and compensation documents, and buyer-seller purchase documents. The detailed table has five document types because the buyer-broker folder also contains IABS as a disclosure, while the builder-policy folder separates registration from compensation. Those extra rows do not create extra legal relationships.

A buyer-representation agreement is generally a private contract between a buyer and a real estate broker. A builder sales contract is between the buyer and the builder or seller. A registration or compensation writing identifies the parties named in that writing and may establish how the builder recognizes a broker or contributes toward compensation.

The Texas Real Estate Commission says it does not promulgate a buyer-representation agreement. The broker’s form is a private contract, and TREC recommends legal counsel for questions about enforceability (TREC, accessed August 27, 2026). That is why a generic answer cannot replace the actual signed file.

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DocumentTypical partiesWhat it can controlWhat it does not prove
Buyer-representation agreementBuyer and brokerServices, scope, exclusivity, term, compensation, notice, amendment, and releaseIt does not create the buyer’s purchase obligations to the builder.
Builder registration or broker-recognition recordParties named in the builder’s writingThe exact community’s process for identifying or working with a buyer brokerIt does not automatically create or cancel buyer representation.
Builder compensation writingBuilder, seller-side broker, buyer broker, or other named partiesWhether and how another party agreed to contribute toward broker compensationIt does not rewrite the buyer’s separate agreement unless the proper parties amend it.
Builder sales contractBuyer and builder or sellerProperty, price, deposits, construction, closing, default, warranties, and buyer-seller remediesIt does not by itself amend the buyer-broker agreement.
IABS 1-2Disclosure delivered by a license holderDescribes brokerage roles and contact informationIt is not a representation agreement, builder contract, or release.

The first checkpoint is simple: name each document, name its parties, record its effective date, and state what question it answers. Do not let a visitor card, incentive sheet, or purchase contract silently substitute for a buyer-broker amendment.

Document checkpoint: The analysis is not ready until the signed buyer agreement, amendments, builder policy, registration record, compensation writing, and proposed sales contract are in one file.

How do I tell whether my buyer agreement covers a builder home?

Texas Occupations Code section 1101.563 requires a covered residential-buyer agreement to state the services, termination date, exclusivity, representation status, compensation amount or method, and a conspicuous statement that broker fees are negotiable and not set by law. TREC’s current 2026 guidance presents the same six categories (Texas Occupations Code Chapter 1101; TREC 2026 buyer-agreement guidance) (Texas Legislature and TREC, current August 27, 2026).

The six statutory categories are not a universal answer about new construction. Read every filled blank, checked box, addendum, and later amendment. A broad market area may include the city where the community sits, but the property-type language may include, exclude, or leave new construction unclear. The agreement may be exclusive or nonexclusive. Services may be full or limited. The result belongs to the exact writing.

Field to extractBuilder-specific questionEvidence to preserve
Contracting brokerWhich brokerage is actually a party?Complete signature page and broker identity
Market AreaDoes it include the exact city, community, or address?Filled geographic description and amendments
Property typeAre new construction, inventory, to-be-built, or custom homes addressed?Selected property types and addenda
ServicesWhat must the broker do during builder selection, contracting, inspections, and closing?Service selections and any limitation
Exclusivity and termIs the agreement active and exclusive when the builder property is found?Effective date, termination date, and exclusivity choice
CompensationWhat did the buyer agree to, and how is another party’s contribution credited?Amount or method, source language, and amendments
Contact and noticeWhat must happen when the buyer contacts a builder directly?Buyer duties, notice method, and dated communications
Change or releaseWho must sign an amendment or early termination?Amendment, release, fee, survival, and protection language

Do not infer coverage from the form title. Texas REALTORS forms are association forms rather than TREC-promulgated buyer agreements, and the public 2026 notices show that current long and short forms were revised again effective June 15, 2026 (Texas REALTORS June 2026 forms update) (Texas REALTORS, June 2026). Use the buyer’s executed version rather than a sample found online.

For pre-signing choices, read what to negotiate in a Texas buyer agreement. This guide assumes the agreement is already signed and focuses only on its interaction with builder documents.

Agreement checkpoint: Write one sentence for each field above and identify every blank or conflict that needs broker or attorney review. For help organizing that checklist, call Kaitlin at 214.429.4907.

Is builder registration or a first-visit rule Texas law?

The Texas authorities reviewed for this guide do not create one universal rule that every buyer agent must register on the first builder visit. They also do not establish one statewide consequence for a late or missing registration. Builders may have community-specific procedures, so ask for the current written policy for the exact community, home, buyer, and visit date.

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That distinction matters. A private builder may define how it records a buyer’s broker, whether it requires a named person at certain events, and whether it offers a compensation contribution. Those business terms should not be described as Texas law. Older official Texas REALTORS guidance identifies owner-to-broker and broker-to-broker registration or compensation writings as tools that can be used in builder transactions. It does not prove that every builder uses them or applies the same deadline (Texas REALTORS forms reference guide) (purpose-only 2023 form guidance, not a current builder policy).

Before the first sales-center visit

  1. Ask the builder for its current written registration and broker-recognition procedure for the exact community.
  2. Identify the buyer’s contracting broker in writing and preserve confirmation.
  3. Ask separately whether the builder or seller offers a compensation contribution and which writing documents it.
  4. Confirm whether broker attendance is required at any visit, selection, orientation, inspection, or closing event.
  5. Compare the builder procedure with the existing buyer agreement before signing a visitor card or purchase document.

If the buyer already visited

Do not promise that representation or compensation is “lost.” Gather the visitor registration, date, communications, builder policy in force that day, buyer agreement, amendments, and any compensation offer. Let the broker address operational questions and a Texas attorney interpret disputed legal effect.

Avoid four shortcuts: “Your agent had to be there on visit one,” “Texas law gives the first agent the commission,” “registration makes the builder pay,” and “missing registration cancels the buyer agreement.” The reviewed sources do not establish any of those statements as a universal Texas rule.

If the real question is whether a buyer should have independent help before touring, use Kaitlin’s new-construction representation guide. For showing and open-house agreement rules, use the North Dallas touring guide.

Registration checkpoint: Label the exact builder policy, its effective date, the property or community it covers, and the records showing what happened. Call Kaitlin with the builder and community.

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Send Kaitlin the builder, community, agreement, and proposed documents. She can build the question list and transaction timeline while a Texas attorney handles legal interpretation.

Are buyer representation and builder compensation the same?

No. Representation asks whether the broker represents the buyer under the buyer-broker agreement. Compensation asks what the buyer agreed to pay, whether the builder or another party agreed to contribute, and how the writings work together. A builder’s decision to contribute or not contribute does not, by itself, create or cancel representation.

Current TREC New Home Contracts 23-20 and 24-20 state in Paragraph 12B that brokerage compensation is not fixed by law and is negotiable. Each party remains responsible for brokerage compensation it agreed to pay under separate written agreements, and a contribution written into the sales contract is applied toward, but does not change, those underlying obligations (TREC 23-20; TREC 24-20) (TREC forms effective July 1, 2026).

QuestionControlling evidenceDo not assume
Is the buyer represented?Executed buyer-broker agreement and amendmentsA builder contribution decides representation
What did the buyer agree to pay?Compensation amount or method in the buyer agreementRepresentation is automatically free
Did the builder or seller agree to contribute?Builder sales contract or separate compensation writingEvery builder pays the same amount
Did another broker agree to contribute?Broker-to-broker writing, if anyA visitor card is a compensation agreement
How is an overage or shortfall handled?Agreement, amendment, brokerage policy, applicable association rules, lender/title reviewOne universal cap or cash result applies

NAR’s written-buyer-agreement guidance applies to covered MLS participants and says compensation must be objectively ascertainable and negotiable. That is NAR policy, not the source of Texas’s separate 2026 statutory requirements (NAR Written Buyer Agreements 101) (NAR, accessed August 27, 2026).

Procuring cause is also a separate, fact-specific REALTOR association arbitration concept. NAR’s current arbitration guidance rejects a one-fact shortcut: first contact, first registration, first showing, or representation status does not automatically decide a broker-to-broker compensation dispute. That guidance is not Texas statutory law, does not interpret the buyer’s private contract, and does not override a builder’s written compensation terms (NAR Arbitration Guidelines) (NAR policy and arbitration guidance, accessed August 27, 2026).

Texas REALTORS’ builder guidance says NAR policy does not require a buyer to give the buyer-representation agreement to a builder, listing broker, or seller. That is association and NAR-policy guidance, not a universal Texas-law privilege or a promise that a builder must proceed without the document. If a builder asks to see the agreement, the buyer should discuss authorization and the minimum necessary disclosure with the broker, and should send a disputed contract-right question to a Texas attorney (Texas REALTORS Builder Compensation FAQ) (Texas REALTORS guidance, accessed August 27, 2026).

If the builder or seller will not contribute enough, use the compensation-source decision guide. This article does not calculate a funding gap or recommend a universal offer structure.

Compensation checkpoint: Keep representation, the buyer’s obligation, builder contribution, broker-to-broker entitlement, and settlement treatment in separate rows. Call 214.429.4907 to organize the comparison.

Does the builder’s sales representative represent me?

Do not assume so. A helpful person in a model home may explain the builder’s products, prices, construction process, incentives, and documents. That assistance does not automatically establish buyer representation. Identify whom the person works for, whether the person is licensed, and which party the person represents.

TREC says an actual employee of a new-home builder may sell the builder’s houses without a real estate license, while independent-contractor status does not satisfy that employee exemption (TREC builder-employee licensing FAQ) (TREC, accessed August 27, 2026). Therefore, do not call every on-site salesperson a REALTOR, broker, licensed agent, or buyer representative.

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RolePrimary assignmentBuyer should verify
Builder sales representativeCommunicate the builder or seller’s product, process, pricing, and paperworkEmployer, license status if material, and represented party
Buyer broker and associated agentProvide the services established by the buyer-representation relationship and applicable lawContracting broker, assigned agent, scope, services, and conflicts
Texas attorneyInterpret legal language, rights, enforceability, breach, and remediesRepresentation scope, timing, and complete document file
Inspector, lender, title, and construction specialistsAddress their licensed or professional subjectIndependence, qualifications, deadlines, and written findings

IABS describes brokerage roles and identifies license-holder information. It is not the buyer-representation agreement, compensation writing, builder contract, or release (TREC Information About Brokerage Services guidance) (TREC, accessed August 27, 2026).

Role checkpoint: Before relying on advice, write down the person’s employer, license status where relevant, represented party, and subject the person is qualified to address. Call Kaitlin to map the real-estate roles.

Does the builder purchase contract replace my buyer agreement?

Do not assume it does. The builder sales contract governs the buyer-seller purchase. The buyer-representation agreement governs the buyer-broker relationship. They can refer to related money or services, but they remain different contracts with different parties unless the proper parties sign a writing that changes their own agreement.

TREC’s current contract index lists 23-20 for incomplete new-home construction and 24-20 for completed, never-previously-occupied new homes, both effective July 1, 2026. It also lists 39-11 as the current Amendment to Contract and 38-8 as the Notice of Buyer’s Termination of Contract (TREC current contracts index) (TREC, accessed August 27, 2026).

The TREC purchase forms answer buyer-seller questions. TREC 39-11 changes an executed purchase contract; it does not amend a buyer-broker agreement. TREC 38-8 gives notice when a buyer exercises a purchase-contract termination right; it is not a broker release. Likewise, signing or terminating a builder contract does not prove that a separate buyer agreement changed.

Not every builder transaction necessarily uses TREC 23-20 or 24-20. TREC Rule 537.11 recognizes circumstances in which a property owner or attorney-prepared form required by the owner may be used. Identify the actual contract instead of assuming the TREC form controls (TREC 2026-2027 Legal Update I) (TREC, 2026).

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Attorney line: Builder- or attorney-drafted provisions about deposits, specifications, change orders, completion, warranties, arbitration, default, assignment, venue, remedies, and construction defects require legal review. Kaitlin can organize facts and deadlines, but she does not interpret legal rights.

Purchase-contract checkpoint: Identify the exact form, parties, version, effective date, property, deposits, addenda, and attorney-review questions before signing. Call Kaitlin before the timeline gets compressed.

How can the buyer agreement change during a builder purchase?

A buyer and broker can agree in writing to change their buyer-representation agreement. Depending on the executed form and current brokerage documents, an amendment may address property scope, services, term, or compensation. Do not rely on an oral promise or a note written only into the builder contract to change a separate buyer-broker relationship.

Texas REALTORS current guidance identifies TXR 1505 for an agreed amendment to its buyer-representation forms. Its January 2026 forms notice describes TXR 1503 as a mutual termination form and calls attention to both parties’ signatures, termination fees, protection periods, related parties, and surviving terms (Texas REALTORS TXR 1507 guidance; Texas REALTORS January 2026 forms changes) (association form guidance, not a universal legal result).

TREC says a buyer may ask the broker for release, but TREC cannot require the broker to grant it. A disputed release, enforceability question, fee, protection period, or remedy belongs with a Texas attorney (TREC buyer-agreement release FAQ) (TREC, accessed August 27, 2026).

Desired changeDocument familyRequired caution
Change buyer-broker scope, services, term, or compensationBuyer-broker amendment signed by the proper partiesVerify the current form and do not draft legal clauses without authority
End buyer representation earlyBuyer-broker release or terminationAddress signatures, fees, protection, covered properties, and surviving terms
Change price, closing, or another builder sales termBuyer-seller contract amendmentDoes not automatically change the buyer-broker agreement
Exercise a builder purchase termination rightPurchase-contract notice under the actual contractDoes not automatically release broker obligations

For the full exit procedure, use Kaitlin’s guide to ending a Texas buyer agreement. Here, the only point is that a builder visit, registration, compensation offer, purchase signature, or purchase termination is not a substitute for a buyer-broker amendment or release.

Change checkpoint: Match each desired change to the agreement and parties it affects, then obtain the fully signed writing.

What should I preserve before signing builder paperwork?

Build one chronological file that a broker or attorney can review without reconstructing the transaction from screenshots. Keep originals and complete PDFs. Record when each document was received, which version was presented, who signed, and what deadline follows.

File sectionDocumentsQuestion supported
Buyer-broker relationshipAgreement, addenda, amendments, IABS, compensation disclosuresWho represents whom, where, for how long, and on what terms?
Builder contactVisit date, visitor card, emails, texts, portal records, salesperson identityWhat happened, who knew, and which role was disclosed?
Builder policyCommunity-specific registration, recognition, attendance, and compensation terms with effective dateWhich private procedure applied to this property and date?
CompensationBuyer agreement, builder contribution, broker-to-broker writing, amendmentsWhat did each party agree to pay or contribute?
PurchaseReservation, deposit, sales contract, addenda, incentives, amendmentsWhat does the buyer owe the builder, and by when?
Professional reviewNumbered broker, lender, title, inspector, and attorney questionsWho owns each answer and deadline?

A document-first review sequence

Existing contractual notice, deposit, response, financing, inspection, and closing deadlines control. This sequence organizes the file; it does not extend any deadline.

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  1. Pause new signatures long enough to identify every current agreement and deadline.
  2. Send the complete buyer agreement and amendments to the contracting broker.
  3. Request the builder’s current community-specific policy and proposed purchase documents.
  4. Separate representation, registration, compensation, purchase, financing, and legal questions.
  5. Ask each professional to answer only the issue within that person’s role.
  6. Document any agreed change in the writing signed by the proper parties.
  7. Preserve the final file through closing and any protection or warranty period.

“Buying a house is a lot like eating an elephant. You do it one step at a time.” In this situation, that means one document, one relationship, one deadline, and one responsible professional at a time.

To organize that process, send Kaitlin the builder and community, book a document-planning call, or call 214.429.4907.

File checkpoint: Another qualified professional should be able to identify every party, document, promise, version, and deadline from the record alone.

Frequently asked questions

Does buying from a Texas builder automatically cancel my buyer representation agreement?

No. A builder visit, registration, or purchase contract does not by itself prove that a separate buyer-broker agreement ended. Read the signed agreement and amendments for scope, exclusivity, term, compensation, and change or release language. Ask a Texas attorney to interpret a disputed legal effect.

How can I tell whether my agreement covers new construction?

Check the exact Market Area, property types, services, exclusivity, dates, buyer-contact duties, and addenda. New construction may be included, excluded, or unclear depending on the filled agreement. Do not infer the answer from the form title or from a generic online sample.

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Is a builder visitor registration the same as my buyer representation agreement?

No. A visitor registration records information under the builder’s procedure. A buyer-representation agreement is a private contract between the buyer and broker. Registration may affect the builder’s recognition or compensation process, but it does not automatically create, amend, or cancel buyer representation.

Can the builder purchase contract change my separate buyer-broker agreement?

Do not assume it can. The builder contract generally governs the buyer-seller purchase, while the buyer agreement governs the buyer-broker relationship. A change to the buyer-broker agreement should be documented in a writing signed by the proper parties to that agreement.

Can my buyer agreement remain active if the builder does not recognize my broker?

A buyer agreement may remain active because builder recognition, buyer representation, and compensation are separate questions. Review the buyer agreement, the builder’s exact policy, registration evidence, and compensation writings. The broker and a Texas attorney should address any disputed obligation or remedy.

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Does agreement coverage differ for an inventory home and a to-be-built home?

Agreement coverage can differ if the executed buyer agreement distinguishes property types or services. The purchase documents also differ by transaction. Check the agreement’s actual wording and the exact builder contract rather than assuming every inventory, completed, or to-be-built home is treated the same.

Which records should I preserve before signing builder paperwork?

Keep the complete buyer agreement, amendments, IABS, visitor registration, builder policy in force on the visit date, broker-recognition record, compensation writings, communications, proposed builder contract, deposit terms, incentives, and a dated list of professional questions.

Who should interpret a conflict between my buyer agreement and the builder’s documents?

The broker can explain brokerage process and the transaction record. A Texas attorney should interpret contract language, enforceability, conflict, breach, fees, damages, survival terms, or remedies. The State Bar of Texas Lawyer Referral and Information Service can help a consumer look for counsel.

Ask a final question at 214.429.4907

Protect the builder purchase by separating the documents.

Kaitlin Lovern can help you collect the right records, ask the right real-estate questions, and keep the builder timeline organized.

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About Kaitlin Lovern

Kaitlin Lovern is an 8-time D Magazine Best Realtor with $255M+ in career sales volume. She helps North Dallas buyers organize builder choices, representation documents, inspections, and transaction deadlines without confusing real-estate coordination with legal advice. Kaitlin is a Texas real estate license holder, license #0634293, with Real Brokerage LLC.

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I am also a Mimi (we don’t say the G-word because I don’t think I will ever be ready for it). Her name is Victoria, and she’s 4. Her mom is Brittaney, and they live in California. However, thank goodness for FaceTime and Amazon. We chat almost every day, and I can spoil her from 1,400 miles away.

My favorite accessory is my high heels. I LOVE THEM!! My mom put me in pumps at the age of 5, and I’ve never looked back! My feet actually feel uncomfortable in flats or tennis shoes. No likey. I’m also 5’1-ish, so it changes my world to be 4 inches taller. 😁

Favorite food – Seafood!! All of it! I can eat it three times a day, seven days a week. If I were ever to be stranded on an island, I wouldn’t mind. Seafood, beach, sunsets, warm weather, and hopefully a razor. I would be in heaven.

I love to dance!! I was on Drill Team in High School. When I turned 18, I loved going to the dance clubs anytime I could. Fast forward to Covid. :( I never imagined a world without dance clubs. Lol. Now that I live in Texas, country line dancing is next on my list. My friend Kathy and I met and hung out with Kenny Chesney and Vince Vaughn after Kenny’s concert backstage at the Angels Stadium in California. A young man with a pass said he could take us back to meet him, but we had to turn our phones off, or else we couldn’t go backstage. I was ready to throw my phone in the trash!! My friend Kathy is the only proof I have that we hung out with Vince and Kenny.

My “superpower” is making friends and connecting with people. I love meeting people from ALL different walks of life. I love learning about them, their traditions, their background, their family, what they are passionate about. It makes for great conversations and forms great, long-lasting relationships. One of the many reasons why I love my career.


Favorite childhood movie, “The Goonies!” I can’t tell you how many times I’ve watched the movie as a kid and as an adult with my kids. My husband took me to Astoria, Oregon, where they filmed the movie, and we visited all the buildings, including the house where the movie was shot. Pretty epic in my book.


I love ALL music genres. I looked it up, and there are 41 primary music genres with 331 subcategories. I don’t know about the subcategories, but when I hear music, I’m truly joyful. Strangely, even with Heavy Metal. Just watch the sound/volume, not too loud please. Lol. I love to dance, so if music is playing in any language, as long as there is a beat, I will dance to it.

Theresa Husner

Born and raised in Southern California. I worked in Real Estate (Appraisal) from 1994 to 2009, then transitioned to Banking from 2009 to 2019. I moved to Frisco, Texas on September 9, 2019. That wasn’t intentional. Lol. My love for Real Estate called me back in 2020, but this time as a Realtor, helping families directly instead of being behind a desk. I’m so happy I did because it’s my passion and part of my superpower. Read on, and you’ll understand what I’m talking about.

I am happily married to the love of my life, and I am a girl mom! I have three daughters: Brittaney, 29, a hairstylist; Brianna, 27, a Sports and Fitness Coach; and Paula, 22, a college student working towards her bachelor’s degree in psychology. I think we kept Sephora and Ulta in business in the 2000s because the amount of teenage makeup in our home could fill buckets. Lol. Oh, and let’s not forget the nail salons.

I am also a Mimi (we don’t say the G-word because I don’t think I will ever be ready for it). Her name is Victoria, and she’s 4. Her mom is Brittaney, and they live in California. However, thank goodness for FaceTime and Amazon. We chat almost every day, and I can spoil her from 1,400 miles away.

My favorite accessory is my high heels. I LOVE THEM!! My mom put me in pumps at the age of 5, and I’ve never looked back! My feet actually feel uncomfortable in flats or tennis shoes. No likey. I’m also 5’1-ish, so it changes my world to be 4 inches taller. 😁

Favorite food – Seafood!! All of it! I can eat it three times a day, seven days a week. If I were ever to be stranded on an island, I wouldn’t mind. Seafood, beach, sunsets, warm weather, and hopefully a razor. I would be in heaven.

I love to dance!! I was on Drill Team in High School. When I turned 18, I loved going to the dance clubs anytime I could. Fast forward to Covid. :( I never imagined a world without dance clubs. Lol. Now that I live in Texas, country line dancing is next on my list. My friend Kathy and I met and hung out with Kenny Chesney and Vince Vaughn after Kenny’s concert backstage at the Angels Stadium in California. A young man with a pass said he could take us back to meet him, but we had to turn our phones off, or else we couldn’t go backstage. I was ready to throw my phone in the trash!! My friend Kathy is the only proof I have that we hung out with Vince and Kenny.

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